Black Sabbath Bootleg Discography Update

I spend a lot of time and money lately for my bootleg collection so
a big update of the Black Sabbath Bootleg Album Discography has been
released now, you can find it at

http://www.black-sabbath.de -> see section "Textfiles"

they are now over 200 different CDs and LPs listed, hopefully a
big help for all collectors out there!

I like to spend a few words concerning 'collecting bootlegs'
these days:

A very useful source for Black Sabbath boots is www.ebay.com as
well as their local clones www.ebay.de, ebay.co.uk and so on. Most
catalogues - online or classic - do not sell boots anymore, so
online auctions are the best way to get the new stuff.

A big problem always with private deals is, that you never
can be sure if you bid for a CD or a CDR. Many dealers write it
down in their description when they sell a silver CD, mostly
not if it is a CDR.

If nothing about CDR or silver CD is mentioned, you always
should ask before bid and only bid, if you get a proper answer.

Some ebay-sellers like walkinshadows, magenta@... as well as
reflectionsintime@hotmail.com always seem to sell CDRs - they
will tell you if you ask but it is not written in their item
description. So be careful with them.

The international music industry succeeced the last years with
closing various "holes in the law" for making bootlegs, eg.
Italy, Japan, Luxembourg - they all changed their laws drastically.
(see also http://www.ifpi.org ) Except for some small issues from
Italy and Brazil, 90% of todays silver bootleg CDs from Black
Sabbath are released in Japan - which makes them usually very
expensive.

As written above, making silver CDs in Japan has become more
difficult as in other countries too. This leads to another
unfortunate effect: Japan is "releasing" CDRs like real bootlegs
- professional recordings (sometimes), printed cover - CDR inside,
sometimes labeled.

Everybody can make up his own mind - but I simply refuse to pay
the same price for a Japan CDR as for a Japan silver CD. I do not
want to start any discussions, just my 0.02 $ !

>From what I have found out, the following CDs definitely have only
been released as CDR in Japan - so if you see it on ebay or whatever,
it only can be a CDR -, so is:

BLACK SABBATH                     VEIL OF DOOM
BLACK SABBATH                     LIVE AT HELL
BLACK SABBATH                     ROCK'N' ROLL GYPSY
BLACK SABBATH                     HEAVEN OR HELL
BLACK SABBATH                     UNCONSCIOUS
BLACK SABBATH                     SACRIFICE
BLACK SABBATH                     HOLY WAR
BLACK SABBATH                     READING FESTIVAL 83
BLACK SABBATH                     GATES OF GRAVE
BLACK SABBATH                     HEAVEN AND GOD
BLACK SABBATH                     LEGEND IN HELL
(do not mix with "Legend In The Hell", Costa Mesa feat. Rob Halford)
BLACK SABBATH                     WE LOVE YOU ALL
BLACK SABBATH                     SWEET RELEAF 99
BLACK SABBATH                     REUNION OF CENTURY
BLACK SABBATH                     NO HYPE NO GIMMICKS
BLACK SABBATH                     CRAPE MYRTLE

For some bootlegs in the discography I can not give definite infor-
mation, there your help is needed:

"Eternal Gillen" (tray left and right) or "Ray Gillen With Black
Sabbath THE ETERNAL IDOL DEMOS" (on blue cover with white letters)
- I received once a CDR copy from a guy who claimed to have the
original silver CD. Lately I bought at ebay this CD (by FUCKHEAD
RECORDS!) with slightly different cover (parts of a Ray Gillen
shot can be seen on the first while the ladder is only blue and
white). The ladder looks surely like a CDR, so it is with the
first one? Anyone here with more information please email me -
any help is highly appreciated.

Definitely as double silver CD has been released "FRESNO 78" -
but so far I only have the title and a scan of the front cover
(golden with live shot). Anyone who can send me more details or
sell me a copy please email me.

Concerning the vinyl bootlegs: "Love In Chiago" - so far I do
own two copies, one with b/w front cover, showing track list
and a painting with demon altar and a woman lying infront of
it - back cover is completely black, the other one has b/w
group shot on frontcover and a b/w group shot on back together
with the track list (same style as the first one). The ladder
as b/w labels with "Berkeley Records (c) 1975" on it - seems
to be the re-issue mentioned in Pete Sarfas list. The first one
has yellow "Stonehead Record" labels and is listed as well
in Sarfas' list. I soon will receive a third one with "red
devil cover" - if those is with inserts than I do have all
three mentioned in Pete Sarfas discography.  If you know more
or have a fourth version, please drop me a mail.

Finally I will receive soon a 2nd copy of the famous double vinyl
bootleg "Killing Yorself To Die" (note the spelling) - anyone
who wants to trade or buy: please email me!

Yours
Alexander
www.black-sabbath.de